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The McLaughlin Group

Issues: Obama’s Kenya Trip / Trump Campaign / Turkey and ISIS / Planned Parenthood

Participants:
John McLaughlin, Host
Pat Buchanan, Author & Columnist
Eleanor Clift, The Daily Beast
Tom Rogan, National Review/Daily Telegraph
Mort Zuckerman, U.S. News & World Report

Taped: Friday, July 24, 2015
Broadcast: Weekend of July 24-26, 2015


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ANNOUNCER: From Washington, THE MCLAUGHLIN GROUP, the American original. For over three decades, the sharpest minds, best sources, hardest talk.

JOHN MCLAUGHLIN, HOST: Issue One: Hujambo, Obama.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): President Obama will get a warm greeting when he arrives in Kenya, a nation of 45 million people.

Hujambo -- hello in Swahili. As we go to press, the president is scheduled to arrive in Nairobi, Kenya’s capital, where he will meet the country’s controversial president, Uhuru Kenyatta.

Until recently, Mr. Kenyatta was under charges from the international criminal Court, ICC, for funding political violence in 2007, 2008. Those chargers were dropped late last year, after Kenya refused to cooperate with international investigators. President Kenyatta has also drawn international disapproval for his stance against homosexuality, which is illegal in Kenyatta. Still, Kenya is a key American ally, against the Somalia-based al Shabaab, a jihadist terrorist group. In recent years, al-Shabaab has killed hundreds of Kenyans in attacks on malls, universities and quarries.

But Mr. Obama’s trip isn’t ending in Kenya. The president will now travel north, to Ethiopia, a nation of 96 million, Ethiopia’s capital, Addis Ababa, is the new home of the African Union secretariat, focused on expanding trade and stability. President Obama believes the 14-year-old organization can improve many lives.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

MCLAUGHLIN: Question: What is reason for President Obama’s trip to Kenya?

Pat Buchanan?

PAT BUCHANAN, AUTHOR & COLUMNIST: There are a number of reasons, John. His father was from there and he’s going back in effect, like Jack Kennedy going back to Ireland. Also, to support Kenya in their battle with al Shabaab, that did that horrible massacre in that mall, and he wants to stand with the African folks who are standing with the United States against terror.

And he’s also up against the Chinese, in the sense that the Chinese are moving deeply into Africa. They got enormous sums of wealth that they’ve gotten from trade with the United States. And I think he’s trying to match that and say, your future should be with the West and when you -- you know, when you sleep with the devil, meaning the Chinese, bring a long a spoon.

MCLAUGHLIN: What’s the president -- the rest of the policy objective to the trip?

ELEANOR CLIFT, THE DAILY BEAST: Well, I think you look at these two countries that he’s visiting, and both have booming economies. Accompanying the president on Air Force One, you’ve got investors. You’ve got a congressional delegation. I think the president is looking on Africa as a continent that is going to come in its own.

And visiting these two countries aside from the obvious, you know, roots expedition to Kenya, is part of the way the president addresses diplomacy. You don’t just talk to your friends. You talk to people who are not necessarily on your side, and he’s doing that here. He’ll get some criticism for it.

And as Pat said, rivalry with China is also a big element.

MCLAUGHLIN: Well, the reason for it principally is trade. And trade between Africa and the U.S. amounts to $73 billion a year. How does that compare to trade between Africa and the E.U. or China? I ask you.

TOM ROGAN, NATIONAL REVIEW/DAILY TELEGRAPH: Well, the United States is trading a lot more with the European Union. I mean, the size of our trade at the moment with Africa is very small, based on, you know, the size of the African continent and the growing economies there. South Africa is another example. I think the president, yes, both Eleanor and Pat mentioning that about the China angle, about struggling for geopolitical power.

I also think there’s an issue in that China element, that President Obama wants to say to African nations, look, China is offering you a huge amount of investment, but what we can offer you is the rule of law in terms of our contracts, that we will do what we say. We won’t essentially trying to screw, because the Chinese will.

And also, I think if you look at that security dynamic, with the president trying to build up nations like Kenya so that they can deal with terrorist threats like al Shabaab, instead of the United States -- again, al Shabaab has committed a number of attacks as well, the Westgate Mall attack. And so, there’s that element that he wants to prevail.

MCLAUGHLIN: Trade promotion is the principal objective, if not the principal objective of Obama’s visit. Would you support that?

MORT ZUCKERMAN, U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT: Yes. But there’s another dimension to it, which seems to me is perfectly understandable. His father was from Kenya, you know, he sort of reengaging with the origins of his family life.

MCLAUGHLIN: He didn’t spend anytime with them.

ZUCKERMAN: I know. But, you know, you’re there in the country, you know? You’re going to get a feel for it. They’re going to get a feel for you. It seems to me that’s perfectly normal and natural.

CLIFT: He did visit his homeland once before, as a much younger man. And this is his fourth trip to the continent as president, although once was from Mandela’s funeral, and once he was on the ground like 24 hours.

So, I think he is sort of making up for lost time and in this 18 months of his presidency, he’s not going to be worried about people in American making fun of him for actually supposedly having been born in Kenya. I mean, that’s all in the past and it’s silly.

(CROSSTALK)

ROGAN: The ICC case is resolved now, so, he feels it --

BUCHANAN: The $73 billion in trade, John, is pretty much peanuts as far as United States of America is concerned. Good heavens, because we got more $300 billion trade deficit with China alone.

MCLAUGHLIN: What’s your figure? What’s your figure?

BUCHANAN: What did you say, $73 billion?

MCLAUGHLIN: $140 billion a year, African-Chinese trade was $200 billion. But that may change substantially, given the economic slowdown in China.

BUCHANAN: But I’m saying, the United States trade with the European Union, with Canada, with Mexico --

ROGAN: The president is looking to the longer term.

CLIFT: China is looking for the big project --

(CROSSTALK)

MCLAUGHLIN: I’m correcting that. The African-U.S. amounts to $73 billion a year.

BUCHANAN: That’s what I said.

MCLAUGHLIN: Exit question: In Ethiopia, same sex relationships are punishable by up to 15 years in prison. Should President Obama speak out on behalf of gay and lesbian rights in Addis Ababa? Yes or no?

BUCHANAN: I think they should speak in general ways. But if you really press the issue, he’s going to get a backlash.

CLIFT: He’s going to speak in general ways about human rights and he’s going to make his views known in private as well.

ROGAN: Yes, those beliefs are product of many cases of tribal culture and anything he says is not going to necessarily have strategic effect.

ZUCKERMAN: I agree. I mean, I think this is something he’s going to stay away from. He’ll find other ways to, in a sense suggests a little bit more, than actually just really going after the issue.

MCLAUGHLIN: I think he’s going to stay away from it.

Issue Two: I’m Here to Stay.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured, OK? I hate to tell you.

He's a war hero because he was captured, OK?

MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is questioning Senator John McCain’s war record.

Senator McCain is a former Navy pilot who was shot down over Hanoi, North Vietnam, in October in 1967. Then-Lieutenant Commander McCain was tortured for five and a half years. Now, Mr. Trump is catching fire for his comments.

Here’s Senator Marco Rubio.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), FLORIDA: It’s not just absurd. It’s offensive. It’s ridiculous. And I do think it is a disqualifier as commander in chief.

MCLAUGHLIN: GOP presidential hopeful Rick Perry called Trump’s comments, quote, "a toxic mix of demagoguery and nonsense," unquote. Revealing, quote, "the cancer of Trumpism", end quote.

Trump attacked Perry in kind.

TRUMP: He put glasses on so people will think he’s smart, and it just doesn’t work. You know, people can see through the glasses.

MCLAUGHLIN: But now, Mr. Trump has established a hotline, 855-VETS-352, for veterans to offer suggestions on reforming the Veterans Affairs Administration. Mr. Trump pledged that, if elected president, he will take care of veteran complaints, quote, "very quickly and efficiently, like a world class businessman can do, what a politician has no clue", end quote.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

MCLAUGHLIN: Was Mr. Trump Machiavellian or was he ill-informed when talking about McCain hero status? If something else, what is it?

Pat Buchanan?

BUCHANAN: Well, I think Trump was badly served, here. Look, he never said he was not a hero. Well, he got captured, he made a foolish, inartful statement, then four times he said he was a hero and the press jumped on him and said he’s got to get out of the race. Other Republicans got to get out of the race. He’s a figure in disgrace. And he defied them, and all week long, he’s gotten bigger crowds than anyone.

The country knows what’s being done here, which is the political establishment is appalled by Trump and frightened by Trump, and they want to basically drive him out of the race, John. And the vast or not the majority, but a big plurality of Americans or a large number of Americans want to see him in the race and he’s doing very well. He’s number one.

CLIFT: And he wants to play with the big boys and girls, he should be able to answer a criticism.

BUCHANAN: Sure.

CLIFT: And to say the press is piling on him, the press is misinterpreting him, is nonsense. He loves every minute. He loves being in the spotlight, and McCain not only the facts that John just put on the screen. But the fact that he was offered early release a number of times, and wouldn’t jump the line on his fellow POWs, that to me makes him a hero.

ZUCKERMAN: Right.

CLIFT: And there are problems with the V.A., yes. Do John McCain and Lindsey Graham, is it their fault? No.

(CROSSTALK)

CLIFT: And look at the --

(CROSSTALK)

BUCHANAN: McCain called his guys a bunch of crazies.

CLIFT: Look at the veteran groups, look at the veteran groups, who they are defending, and they are not defending Donald Trump.

ROGAN: McCain was brutally tortured. If there is a notion of anything in American society, patriotism is the notion. You spent 5 1/2 years getting tortured. When your dad and your grandfather were both senior admirals, that notion of service, that was a disgrace that Trump has --

MCLAUGHLIN: All right. Hold on.

ROGAN: It was pathetic.

MCLAUGHLIN: Hold on for a minute.

McCain was put on to solitary confinement to two years. He was tortured. They used rope bindings to put him into a prolong painful positions and severely beat him every two hours, all while he was suffering from dysentery. His right leg was reinjured. His ribs were cracked. Some teeth were broken at the gum line and his left arm was re-fractured, lying in his own waste. His spirit was broken.

BUCHANAN: Again, no one denies that McCain served his country honorably and well and went through hell, as did those other POWs. My point is, Trump did not say he was not a hero, and secondly, why are people using this incident a week ago? They keep pounding him and pounding him and pounding him, but that’s to drive him out of the race --

CLIFT: They’re pounding him because what he said was loathsome.

ZUCKERMAN: Yes.

BUCHANAN: How long do you keep pounding him?

CLIFT: And his campaign is attracting people because there are a lot of people who want to give the middle finger to the entire political establishment.

ROGAN: Article 2, section 2 – the commander-in-chief – it matters?

CLIFT: I think you’re probably one of them and --

(LAUGHTER)

MCLAUGHLIN: Let me add --

BUCHANAN: The political establishment, should they be doing this trying to drive a guy out of the race.

ZUCKERMAN: For what he said? Do you think this is a way to distinguish yourself if you’re the president?

BUCHANAN: I don’t think --

ZUCKERMAN: Then, he deserves the criticism he gets. He’s earned every bit of it.

BUCHANAN: Criticism -- should he be driven out of the race?

MCLAUGHLIN: Let me add a bit to --

CLIFT: No one is talking about driving him out of the race.

ROGAN: The public will drive him out.

ZUCKERMAN: The public will and should drive him out of the race.

CLIFT: The cables love him. He drives up ratings. Nobody is trying to get him out of the race. He’s going to get himself out of the race.

MCLAUGHLIN: Excuse me, excuse me.

BUCHANAN: Why do you think he is number one among Republicans?

MCLAUGHLIN: I want to add something to John McCain in prison. First of all, there’s a statue of McCain that had been erected, a good statue. And you can see the lake, or the water where plane plummeted. And when you go in to the available viewing area, which is -- they charge admission for that. I mean, I guess it’s a money maker for people, you see the horror, that is just incredible on that, and the description of the concrete, it’s kind of in quasi steps, and he’s strapped to it. It’s old concrete and it’s got all kinds of things bulging out of it.

And there’s another prisoner in there, in a cell, and he doesn’t get much notice. But they did talk back and forth. He was in there day and night without -- sleeping in his own waste. What horror!

CLIFT: For anyone to criticize this --

ZUCKERMAN: Yes, it was horrible. And he handled it with more courage than anybody could imagine. I just can’t even understand how he was able to endure it all and came out and still, if I may say so, a wonderful human being and does not deserve to be attacked.

CLIFT: And we should mention that Donald Trump got five deferments. He actively sought to keep himself out of Vietnam.

BUCHANAN: This is not a pro-Trump group I gather.

MCLAUGHLIN: Well, I -- you know --

BUCHANAN: Look, everybody knows he shouldn’t have said about McCain. He didn’t say he wasn’t a hero. But what gets me is why are people still trying to drive this guy out of the race, it’s because what he’s saying about the border. What he’s saying about trade. What he’s saying about the political establishment.

(CROSSTALK)

CLIFT: Questioning him.

MCLAUGHLIN: Five years of that.

BUCHANAN: I know, John.

MCLAUGHLIN: OK. King Trump.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Mr. Trump is a graduate of the prestigious Wharton School of Finance. Mr. Trump says he has amassed a, quote, "$10 billion", end quote, business empire in real estate, airlines, casinos, hotels and the entertainment industry. Mr. Trump has more business experience in creating jobs than any presidential candidate in the history of this nation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MCLAUGHLIN: Does Mr. Trump’s business acumen strengthen his presidential credentials? Mort Zuckerman?

ZUCKERMAN: Well, to a degree, but that’s not the only thing that we’re all commenting about. It’s not his business acumen. We’re talking about his political lack of acumen, if I may say so, and his personal lack of acumen, I simply cannot forgive somebody who says what he says about a man like John McCain. It just is absolutely outrageous.

CLIFT: He should be using --

BUCHANAN: You called him a clown on the front page of your paper, with a big nose when he announced, before he made a statement about McCain.

ZUCKERMAN: See? I don’t determine what’s on the front page of "The Daily News". That was --

(CROSSTALK)

ZUCKERMAN: I know. It’s the editor who owns the front page.

ROGAN: And this is the thing as well with Trump, and this is why I agree with Pat in the sense that, why is he generating a populist feeling, because of immigration. But you know what? People -- and this is why I hope he’s in the debate, like I hope other Republicans will stand up and say, you’re not a Republican because the idea of making Mexico build a wall, that sounds great. But people are being petulant.

I wrote a piece this week saying it’s like in Neverland, Peter Pan. You need to challenge people on the merits. It’s stupid policy. Blow up the oil fields.

BUCHANAN: Hold it. I was arguing for a fence on the border 25 years ago. It has never been done by either party. Republicans -- people are fed up with Republicans ands Democrats.

CLIFT: And Trump says he’ll get the Mexicans to pay for it. I’d like to hear some more of that, his policy, and how -- that’s what he said.

BUCHANAN: I don’t think he’s going to get the Mexicans to pay for it.

CLIFT: That’s what he said.

BUCHANAN: But I bet you he would be build the wall, don’t you think so?

MCLAUGHLIN: Hold on, please?

CLIFT: I don’t. He couldn’t get enough illegal labor to do it.

MCLAUGHLIN: Will Trump recover because --

BUCHANAN: Recover? He’s at 24 --

MCLAUGHLIN: Yes, recover --

BUCHANAN: He’s leading, John.

MCLAUGHLIN: Well, I mean --

ROGAN: Recover his integrity.

MCLAUGHLIN: Recover his integrity because and this is way he’s doing it. He is putting some money into the veterans administration, and they’re going to have a review of hospital scandals and treatment of vets.

CLIFT: That’s if he’s elected. That’s not now.

MCLAUGHLIN: Isn’t that a smart move?

CLIFT: That if he’s elected, I think.

(CROSSTALK)

CLIFT: I think putting the money in now, I will change my view of him.

ROGAN: The Republican Party agrees about immigration reform now.

MCLAUGHLIN: That’s the way I’m reading his report.

BUCHANAN: Nobody trusts him.

MCLAUGHLIN: "USA Today" recent report on the V.A.’s 150 hospitals short some forty-one thousand -- get that -- five hundred medical personnel. As a result, the V.A. had a cost overrun of $2.6 billion -- that’s pocket change for Trump -- last year because it needed to refer veterans --

BUCHANAN: V.A. is a huge problem area.

MCLAUGHLIN: Trump should promise to appoint one of his apprentices to shake up the V.A.

Maybe it’s not a done deal.

BUCHANAN: You’ve got to be a president of the United States to shake up the V.A.

MCLAUGHLIN: Exit question --

BUCHANAN: And I know who can do it.

MCLAUGHLIN: If Trump wins the Republican nomination, what will be Trump’s biggest challenge in the general election? One word please?

BUCHANAN: Hillary Clinton.

(LAUGHTER)

ROGAN: Himself.

CLIFT: Right.

Hillary, one word.

ZUCKERMAN: Really? Yes.

MCLAUGHLIN: Do you think that’s it?

ROGAN: It’s himself.

CLIFT: He’ll have to run against someone else. That's another good answer, himself.

ZUCKERMAN: Or alternately his opponent. I mean, he’s going to lose by a large margin

MCLAUGHLIN: I think you're probably right, but I don't think he’s going to lose.

ZUCKERMAN: No, I don't think he's going to get the nomination. It will be the end of the Republican Party.

MCLAUGHLIN: I think it’s too early to detail. It’s a long time.

CLIFT: The threat is he’s going to run for third party.

MCLAUGHLIN: Issue Three: Terror in Turkey.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

RECEP TAYYIP ERDOGAN, PRESIDENT, TURKEY (through translator): On behalf of my people, I curse and condemn the perpetrators of this brutality.

MCLAUGHLIN: The civil war in Syria has come north. In a Monday bomb attack on the town of Suruc in southern Turkey, Islamic State ISIS terrorist killed 32 and wounded dozens more.

Then, on Wednesday, two police officers were killed.

Then, on Thursday, ISIS terrorists killed a Turkish border officer.

ISIS is believed to have staged the attacks in retaliation for recent Kurd successes again ISIS in Syria

The attack in Suruc, southern Turkey, may carry major ramifications.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has threatened to invade Syria, and it’s a threat that shouldn’t be taken lightly. President Erdogan has long despised Syria leader Bashar Al-Assad for allegedly killing hundreds of thousands of Sunnis during Syria's Civil War.

Assad was not responsible for Monday's attack. And there’s another development: in recent months, Saudi Arabia has talked about possible military operations against Syria, and the jihadists in Syria. The Saudis fear that if Assad's pro-Iran government prevails, Iran's regional power will grow about control, thus threatening the Saudis. The stakes are high. If Turkey and Saudi Arabia both intervene in Syria, Iran may also intervene militarily, thus making a new conflict in an already very unstable Middle East. All of this agitation is the background for the latest development, namely that Turkey is contemplating the construction -- get this -- of a wall 560 miles long separating Turkey and Syria at their borders

BUCHANAN: Question: do the terrorist attacks in Turkey signal an escalation by ISIS?

Yes, Tom Rogan.

ROGAN: Yes, yes. ISIS is about purity of a global Salafi jihadist empire, that's what they're doing. This was inevitable at some point. It's finally forced the Turks to wake up and know that they have to face down this threat. Hopefully they can allow American basing, to project power.

But ultimately, again it's about Iran, it's about politicization and secretarianism, it’s why I think we have to be focused on a broader strategy in the room.

CLIFT: Well, this is Turkey's fight, and the core of President Obama strategy is to get the countries in the region to put boots on the ground in this may lead to that. I think ISIS may have escalated the fight, but they brought in a serious foe.

BUCHANAN: ISIS made a terrible mistake here.

ROGAN: Yes.

BUCHANAN: If you bring the Turks in, John, they’ve got an army of a half a million. If you put that army together, they could take out Raqqa in three days marching, into Syria. It depends.

I hope the Americans -- Incirlik is a great benefit for the United States. It’s an anti-ISIS. I think this could be a turning point against ISIS depending on how deeply the Turks go in, because the Turks could finish ISIS.

ROGAN: And they want Assad gone as well, though. That's the thing and I think that’s good --

CLIFT: Yes, I don’t think can do both.

ROGAN: With the Saudis, they could.

CLIFT: Yes, that's right, that's right.

MCLAUGHLIN: What’s the military significance of Turkey, allowing the U.S. to launch air strikes from its bases?

Mort?

ZUCKERMAN: Well, I think it's just another dimension of what Turkey is determined to do, which is to use military pressure against ISIS and some other people whom they don’t like, and they have been really aroused by what ISIS has done in Turkey, that they acknowledge now that it is a terrorist strike as far as they’re concerned, and they're not going to live that way.

CLIFT: They wouldn't let the U.S. use that base because the Obama administration wouldn't commit to going after Assad. And I think now that Turkey is realizing that they can’t make that the dominant goal, that defeating ISIS is more problematical.

MCLAUGHLIN: What’s the meaning of ISIS?

ROGAN: The Islamic State of Iraq and al Sham, or greater Syria, the Levant. It’s a global project.

MCLAUGHLIN: Yes. Well, a lot of people might not be aware of, you know, what ISIS is.

Multiple choice, exit question, how likely is a large Turkish invasion of Syria?

A Turkish invasion of Syria: is it, A, inevitable, B, highly likely, C, see somewhat likely, D, unlikely, or E, so farfetched as to be inconceivable?

BUCHANAN: Somewhat likely they'll be moving in.

CLIFT: C, I think that's what -- it’s C.

ZUCKERMAN: I’d say it will be B. I think the Turks are really in a rage over this thing, they're just going to go in and do something see.

ROGAN: C.

ZUCKERMAN: C-plus.

Issue Four: Unplanned Parenthood.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DR. MARY GATTER: It’s been years since I’ve talked about compensation. So let me just figure out what others are getting. If this is in the ballpark, then it’s fine, if it’s still low, then we can bump it up.

I want a Lamborghini.

BUYER: What did you say?

GATTER: I want a Lamborghini.

MCLAUGHLIN: Mary Gatter, who up until 2014, was president of Planned Parenthood for America, speaking to an undercover activist from the anti-abortion group, the Center for Medical Progress.

Ms. Gatter now serves Planned Parenthood in an advisory leadership position.

This video is the second of its kind in as many weeks

Last week, the Center for Medical Progress released a video of another Planned Parenthood official, speaking about fetal matter, Deborah Nucatola.

DEBORAH NUCATOLA: You know, I’m going to throw a number out. I would say it’s probably anywhere from $30 to $100, depending on the facility and what’s involved.

BUYER: The $30 to $100 price range, that’s per specimen that we’re talking about, right?

NUCATOLA: Per specimen, yes.

MCLAUGHLIN: But Planned Parenthood insists the videos were edited to misrepresent its position. And they say the discussion up finances referring to processing cost are legal.

Here’s Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood

CECILE RICHARDS, PLANNED PARENTHOOD PRESIDENT: The allegation that Planned Parenthood profits in anyway from tissue donation is not true.

MCLAUGHLIN: Planned Parenthood receives tens of millions in federal tax dollars and has received over $200 million since 2012. While the organization is prevented from using federal funds for abortions, those funds nevertheless allow Planned Parenthood to use its own funds on abortion.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

MCLAUGHLIN: Question what fetal specimens are being sold by Planned Parenthood for $30 to $100 each?

You want to try that, Eleanor?

CLIFT: Yes, that's for storage and shipping. And I acknowledge that listening to them talk about this in what seems to be a very callous way is disturbing, but these are tissues and fetal organs where the women have given their permission many of them get great comfort from thinking that this can go to help someone else, the drug companies do research with this. We get -- that's how we get cures.

And these were edited in a way to make it seem as though Planned Parenthood is selling this, and that is illegal

So, that's not happening. But it’s a continuation of the abortion debate that we have in this country, and Planned Parenthood delivers very many health services to women around the country. And I think it's a tragedy that there are now once going to be the center of attempts, mostly by the right, to try to defund them entirely.

BUCHANAN: So, John, you and I grew up in a generation where we’ve heard a woman talking on film describing how you crush the top but the unborn child, crush the bottom in order to preserve liver and the heart and the lungs, really valuable parts. This is how we do it, sipping wine and having a salad, we would say this is something that really belongs not in the USA, but belongs to Nazi Germany in the 19930.

CLIFT: This is how medical professionals talk, there was made that is very callous to that. But, you know, if you heard any kind of surgery described graphically, you’d be pretty repelles as well.

ROGAN: The problem as well --

CLIFT: I want to say one more thing -- a physician who wrote and I think to "The New York Times" said that he worked in a unit with seriously ill babies in the morning, they would ask the question, how many --how many -- how many babies did you box last night? That means put in coffins. Pretty grotesque, but --

ROGAN: But one of the problems with this video, though is the fact that one of the ladies – she talked --

CLIFT: But this is how medical processionals talk among themselves. And we should --

ROGAN: -- it has to be worth for me, which suggested a personal incentive beyond the storage of it.

(CROSSTALK)

CLIFT: I don’t believe anybody has been proved to profit from this, and I would welcome the hearings on Capitol Hill. Let them have the hearings. They're going to find that Planned Parenthood did nothing illegal.

ROGAN: But you can -- I actually tend to think -- you know, because conservative rhetoric on social issues has been very problematic before for understandable, especially the young women. But I tend to think on this conservatives have an opportunity hit articulate the moral angle.

MCLAUGHLIN: Senator Rand Paul introduce legislation this week to defund Planned Parenthood by attaching an amendment to HR-22, the federal highway bill.

Will this gambit succeed?

I ask you

BUCHANAN: It’s got a fighting chance, John, because an awful lot of Americans don't believe we ought to fund organizations that kill babies in order to get their body parts.

CLIFT: If the Republicans turn this into a top-line issue going into the 2016 election, it will be a loser for them because a majority of Americans support a woman's right to have an abortion, in the early stages of her pregnancy.

MCLAUGHLIN: Predictions, Pat?

BUCHANAN: ISIS will attack in Iraq, in Haditha, and will be attacked itself in Ramadi.

Rick Perry's forceful and artful denunciation of Trump will give him enough about that he will make it into the top 10 for the FOX News debate on August 6th.

ROGAN: I’m going to extend that. Rick Perry will do very well in the debate because if his clear record of conservative success in governance in Texas versus California.

ZUCKERMAN: The dramatic increase in the number of low-paid jobs in this country is going to cause a major review of how we enhance the growth of the economy.

MCLAUGHLIN: When the world's biggest hedge fund, Bridgewater Associates, told investors to steer clear of China this week, it marked the beginning a major economic reversal for Beijing. China's stock market meltdown will inflict deep damage on its economy, dealing a severe setback to Xi Jinping’s China dream. That’s a prediction.

Bye-bye!


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